Teen with IQ of 47 gets 100 years in prison in sex case

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Dead Monky	Teen with IQ of 47 gets 100 years in prison in sex case	Lead	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 596 (12 Jun, 2009 5:50 AM) King of Some Cosmos Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Link Good job Texas. The severely mentally impared should be treated just everyone else because they so obviously know what they're doing. Yeah, great job.
deep trench		#1	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 911 (12 Jun, 2009 10:31 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	To be fair Dead Monky he probably got a break only getting the 100 years in Texas they normally just execute. Reading more about this on blogs I find that the sentence seems to be fairly popular in small town America. If all child predators were charged to the full extent of the law, the world would become a safer place where children could play outside. Posted by Sheri @ 11:03 AM Wed, Jun 10, 2009 Posted by Anonymous @ 6:43 AM Thu, Jun 11, 2009 I work with these guys, their mental retardation (in my opinion), should have NOTHING to do with their sentencing Posted by Anon@ 12:29 PM Thu, Jun 11, 2009 I do not pretend to think that they have the same moral reasoning that you or I do, however, I DO not care what thir moral reasoning is, if they are CAPABLE of doing such atcs they should be kept from society Leaving aside the IQ issue this person is 18, in America not yet adult enough to have a beer, yet old enough to be sentenced to 100 years for what is, if we are honest, a fairly minor assault Lest any one thinks that this is a case of abherant sentencing policy by one court here is another A New Braunfels man Friday was given a near 2,000-year jail sentence for sexually assaulting a 6-year-old girl 20 times. Frank Gaytan, 46, was sentenced to 99 years in prison for each of 20 counts of aggravated sexual assault and 15 years for one count of indecency with a child in the 274th District Court of Judge Gary Steel....... ......"Frank Gaytan is mentally retarded," Morris told the jury. "When Frank was 4 years old, he had a brain tumor. ... Frank operates mentally on the level of a 7-year-old. ... The sum total of the testimony is this: Frank is not like most of us." http://herald-zeitung.com/story.lasso?ewcd=aa70b0f591969744 (dated 6/6/09)
Dead Monky		#2	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 599 (12 Jun, 2009 4:51 PM) King of Some Cosmos Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's rediculous. People here are obsessed with sex offenders. They seem to think they lurk around every corner just waiting to jump out and diddle their kids. It smells of a moral panic if you ask me. People are scared and outraged at the thought of it and start seeing boogymen everywhere, even though the actual number of real cases and offenders don't match their paranoia. But to appease middle America judges throw the book at everyone: the mentally retarded, 18 year olds caught with their 17 year old girlfriends, etc. It kind of reminds me of the school shooting panic of the late 90s.
Alvida		#3	[-]
Posts: 7896 (12 Jun, 2009 5:31 PM) Alvida Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	His perception of what happened doesn't change this child's experience. The wrong course of action but he should be in residential care with other mentally retarded adults where it can be ensured he won't do that to a child again.
deep trench		#4	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 914 (12 Jun, 2009 6:03 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	His perception of what happened doesn't change this child's experience And we dont know what that was, it may have been fairly benign. I was vaguely amused at the reports coming out of Plymouth about the paedophile nursery school assistant, there was a couple of angry women interviewed who were worried about what the police would find out incase their child was a victim. Well (waiting for the knock on the door again here) if you dont notice any thing wrong/ different with the child then it is a fair bet that any thing that happened was a whole lot less damaging to the child than a couple of hours of "careful" police interviewing. I really do think that notwithstanding what the offender did to the child that the child often becomes a "victim" only after it has been subjected to the moral outrage of the parents and an extended police interview . edited to insert word Last Edited By: deep trench 12 Jun, 2009 6:23 PM. Edited 1 times.
Dead Monky		#5	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 600 (12 Jun, 2009 6:49 PM) King of Some Cosmos Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Honestly, I think most of the outrage over this is in regard to the "offender's" age. He's 18, which in most people's minds makes him an adult, regardless of his actual, mental age (which is somewhere in the neighborhood of a small child, and not even a fully functional one.) If he were say a five year old, nobody would have flipped out over this. But because of his age and outward appearance, people want him punished.
diamond		#6	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 164 (14 Jun, 2009 12:11 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	To be fair Dead Monky he probably got a break only getting the 100 years in Texas they normally just execute. For the record, we Texans, seldom execute for sex crimes, not saying I would be against it though.
deep trench		#7	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 918 (14 Jun, 2009 12:37 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	For the record the reason that Texas "seldom executes for sex crimes" is that they didnt have a statute allowing it until 2007 (TX Penal Code § 12.42(c)(3) and Tex. Code Crim. Proc. Art. 37.072).
Alvida		#8	[-]
Posts: 7929 (14 Jun, 2009 1:07 AM) Alvida Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Our resident stat man.
Diamond Rose		#9	[-]
Posts: 2202 (14 Jun, 2009 1:44 AM) Rebel Angel Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	deep trench wrote: Well if you dont notice any thing wrong/ different with the child then it is a fair bet that any thing that happened was a whole lot less damaging to the child than a couple of hours of "careful" police interviewing. I really do think that notwithstanding what the offender did to the child that the child often becomes a "victim" only after it has been subjected to the moral outrage of the parents and an extended police interview . Sure. We should only be outraged when the offender is a Catholic priest... ~ Bruce
Catdamom.canadausatopics		#10	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 31 (14 Jun, 2009 5:28 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tx sucks. That makes the person moderatly mentally challenged. i want the caretaker charger for neglect. Someone at some point moleseted this kid for him to do this. Stay out of Tx. home to Geo Bush.
deep trench		#11	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 919 (14 Jun, 2009 9:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am struggling to understand Catdamom's post but I think (s)he is suggesting that IQ 47 makes you "moderatly mentally challenged" as I understand it 50 is the threshold below which an adult is not expected to cope with daily living. Someone at some point moleseted this kid for him to do this. Slightly harder to unravel, but I think the point is being made that the offender was abused at some time, quite where Catdamom gets this idea I dont know, if the thinking is that really stupid people wont know what to do (sexually) unless someone shows them then this is rubbish, worms know what to do!
Mabel Sage		#12	[-]
Posts: 1061 (14 Jun, 2009 11:39 PM) Barbed Bouquet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I'm guessing that perhaps Catdamom is referring to various reports that people who abuse others have themselves been abused. This may be true, but it doesn't mean it's always true. Catdamom, you also imply the parents have done something wrong and we don't know that ... it must have been hard enough for them to bring up a severely learning disabled son. I'm guessing perhaps no-one tried to teach this lad about sex and acceptable behaviour, and it's a tragedy for both families this has happened. So much guesswork and speculation. It's such a shame, though, this young man with the mind of a little child should be put in prison for the rest of his life ... would he be in a place that is used to caring for someone with his degree of disability? Would he be placed in a prison alongside paedophiles who are more cunning in their preying upon small children? What this lad did can't be allowed to happen again, but shutting him up in a jail is dreadful. Edit to add: Incidentally - is it possible for someone with an IQ of 47 to understand enough to be able to plead guilty? Presumably it is in Texas. Last Edited By: Mabel Sage 14 Jun, 2009 11:45 PM. Edited 1 times.
diamond		#13	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 165 (15 Jun, 2009 12:18 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tx sucks. That makes the person moderatly mentally challenged. i want the caretaker charger for neglect. Someone at some point moleseted this kid for him to do this. Stay out of Tx. home to Geo Bush. Good idea Cat, and I will defend to the death your right to stay away, we've got more than enough folks here already. I wasn't aware this was a political discussion, but since you brought it up, are you suggesting because George W lives here, that makes the state a bad state? Hmmmmm what does that make Washington DC with Obama living there. Leaving aside the IQ issue this person is 18, in America not yet adult enough to have a beer, yet old enough to be sentenced to 100 years for what is, if we are honest, a fairly minor assault This man is 40 something not 18, any hoot I guess the pain of the 6 y/o he molested over 20 times doesn't matter. His IQ is high enough to know right from wrong.
Mabel Sage		#14	[-]
Posts: 1063 (15 Jun, 2009 12:25 AM) Barbed Bouquet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Diamond, according to the Link provided by Monky in the first post, this young man is 18 years old Aaron Hart, 18, of Paris It is his IQ which is 47
diamond		#15	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 166 (15 Jun, 2009 12:25 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Wow my apologies there must be two of these guys running around - one is 47, one is 18, in both cases the victim was 6. Aaron Hart is 18; Frank Gaytan is 46.
Mabel Sage		#16	[-]
Posts: 1064 (15 Jun, 2009 12:28 AM) Barbed Bouquet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Can we have a link to the case involving the 47 year old? If he has an average IQ then I think the circumstances are different. yes - absolutely dreadful for the victim, I'm not denying that.
diamond		#17	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 167 (15 Jun, 2009 12:33 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	http://manolaw.blogspot.com/2009/06/twenty-life-sentences-is-long-time.html Sorry I don't know how to post links like y 'all do. Edit: Ooops that didn't work. I don't know how to do it, sorry. But he was also had a low IQ, don't know what it was. Last Edited By: diamond 15 Jun, 2009 12:35 AM. Edited 1 times.
Mabel Sage		#18	[-]
Posts: 1065 (15 Jun, 2009 12:40 AM) Barbed Bouquet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Here is the link you are trying to give, Diamond Here It seems this man has an acquired learning disability following a brain tumour when he was four, and he operates at the level of a seven year old. I'm trying to find a newspaper report, no luck so far. I would repeat exactly what I said before - it's a dreadful thing to happen, it can't be allowed to happen again ... but I don't think regular jail is the answer. Last Edited By: Mabel Sage 15 Jun, 2009 12:42 AM. Edited 2 times.
deep trench		#19	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 920 (15 Jun, 2009 9:04 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Sorry this is my fault. There are two cases being conflated here the initial case raised by Dead Monky where to offender was 18 and had an IQ of 47 Aaron Hart, 18, of Paris, was arrested and charged after a neighbor found him fondling her stepson in September. The teen pleaded guilty to five counts, including aggravated sexual assault and indecency by contact, and a jury decided his punishment. and a second case raised by me to show that such treatment of those with a mental deficit was not unusual in America Frank Gaytan, 46, was sentenced to 99 years in prison for each of 20 counts of aggravated sexual assault and 15 years for one count of indecency with a child in the 274th District Court of Judge Gary Steel....... ......"Frank Gaytan is mentally retarded," Morris told the jury. "When Frank was 4 years old, he had a brain tumor. ... Frank operates mentally on the level of a 7-year-old. ... The sum total of the testimony is this: Frank is not like most of us." Mabel sage asked:- Can we have a link to the case involving the 47 year old? If he has an average IQ then I think the circumstances are different. There was a link posted by me to the above case in the original post, the man although 47 years old had had a brain tumour when he was a child and did not develop beyond the ability of a seven year old so the cases of him (Frank Gaytan) and the original case ) Aaron Hart) are very similar. yes - absolutely dreadful for the victim, I'm not denying that. I wonder how many 6 year old girls have played touching games with seven year old boys and were never regarded as victims of anything, I wonder too if these girls were made "victims" by Hart and Gaytan or by their parents? By which I mean did they come through their encounter will no ill effects (physical or psychological) and only suffered ill effects after their parents found out and hit the roof.
Mabel Sage		#20	[-]
Posts: 1067 (15 Jun, 2009 10:07 AM) Barbed Bouquet Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	ah yes, apologies from me too - I should have re-read the whole thread when replying to Diamond. and yes, overwrought reactions from parents (plus surrounding community) would distress a small child, all kinds of emotions would be internalized and bode badly for future psychological health. It's a very natural reaction though ... I do think that events which happen in early childhood are remembered on some very basic level (even without emotional interventions by adults) and could emerge as severe problems in adulthood, but I don't have evidence. edit no 2: The most important issue is that adults should never be allowed to touch or talk to children inappropriately (we all agree on that) . However, children touching each other in play is 'normal' even though we wouldn't encourage it ... it needs delicate handling. The issue is .... what does one do when the adult doing the touching is a child inside an adult's body? That adult needs to be separated from any future opportunities but personally I don't feel regular prison is the answer. ach - supposed to be busy here, will think more on it and look in later. Last Edited By: Mabel Sage 15 Jun, 2009 10:29 AM. Edited 2 times.